Comments on: Nightwing #119 or What the Hell is Wrong With DC Comics? http://spandexjustice.com/2006/04/17/99 Fighting Crime And Looking Good Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:01:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: DUI Blog http://spandexjustice.com/2006/04/17/99#comment-2737 DUI Blog Fri, 08 Dec 2006 04:33:40 +0000 http://spandexjustice.com/2006/04/17/99#comment-2737 I thought DC Comics was going to elevate Nightwing as a jewel in the crown character like Wolverine is for Marvel. That during the year after Infinite Crisis he was going to clean house while everyone else was away. I thought his stint in the underworld as a mob enforcer was going to rehabilitate his mind. Dick Grayson is the future of DC. Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, Flash and WonderWoman are the foundation of DC, but Nightwing, Dick Grayson is the future. I thought DC Comics was going to elevate Nightwing as a jewel in the crown character like Wolverine is for Marvel. That during the year after Infinite Crisis he was going to clean house while everyone else was away. I thought his stint in the underworld as a mob enforcer was going to rehabilitate his mind. Dick Grayson is the future of DC. Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, Flash and WonderWoman are the foundation of DC, but Nightwing, Dick Grayson is the future.

]]> By: Elizabeth http://spandexjustice.com/2006/04/17/99#comment-1245 Elizabeth Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:13:08 +0000 http://spandexjustice.com/2006/04/17/99#comment-1245 RE: The Death of Nightwing I’m aware you have to keep your young heroes single and active but DC Comics? You STINK! You Crushed the Heart of my Favourite Character for no reason and then had him RAPED and never gave him Justice. You bring back the dead but this? Monsters,How could you be so Heartless, how could you be so Cruel? RE: The Death of Nightwing
I’m aware you have to keep your young heroes single and active but DC Comics? You STINK! You Crushed the Heart of my Favourite Character for no reason and then had him RAPED and never gave him Justice. You bring back the dead but this? Monsters,How could you be so Heartless, how could you be so Cruel?

]]> By: Caniscalif http://spandexjustice.com/2006/04/17/99#comment-907 Caniscalif Sat, 05 Aug 2006 16:02:51 +0000 http://spandexjustice.com/2006/04/17/99#comment-907 Gotta agree had more interest in the Blockbuster plotline. They need to bring back the heroic Nightwing that teamed up with Superboy (Conner Kent) in Infinite Crisis and had worked with Batman and Robin to take down Deathstroke. Gotta agree had more interest in the Blockbuster plotline. They need to bring back the heroic Nightwing that teamed up with Superboy (Conner Kent) in Infinite Crisis and had worked with Batman and Robin to take down Deathstroke.

]]> By: Shelly http://spandexjustice.com/2006/04/17/99#comment-391 Shelly Mon, 01 May 2006 22:48:10 +0000 http://spandexjustice.com/2006/04/17/99#comment-391 Good points, Rocky. At least in Infinite Crisis, Dick had been doing a good, solid job and was looking like Nightwing of old. Then bam, OYL, he's a basket case again, not to mention a boy toy. By far, this is the most disappointing of the OYL books. Good points, Rocky. At least in Infinite Crisis, Dick had been doing a good, solid job and was looking like Nightwing of old. Then bam, OYL, he’s a basket case again, not to mention a boy toy. By far, this is the most disappointing of the OYL books.

]]> By: Rocky http://spandexjustice.com/2006/04/17/99#comment-356 Rocky Sun, 23 Apr 2006 05:39:41 +0000 http://spandexjustice.com/2006/04/17/99#comment-356 What is disappointing for me is that I was hoping that Nightwing OYL would be a competent heroic character..... so that the question on everyone's mind would be "Why is he so heroic One Year Later... because he was such a whining loser before. And then we could have read 52 with the idea of discovering how he became a hero again. Unfortunately for Bruce Jones.... he obviously did not read any of Grayson's run on the title. He ought to have realized that we NW fans are intimately familiar with angst -ridden loser - whining Dick Grayson. So when we find him One Year Later in the identical loser mentality and in even WORSE shape (which is for me the most SHOCKING thing of all because I did not think he could sink LOWER than where he ended up at the end of Grayson's run)..... it all leads to a very depressing and pessimistic prospect for the formr Robin. What is disappointing for me is that I was hoping that Nightwing OYL would be a competent heroic character….. so that the question on everyone’s mind would be “Why is he so heroic One Year Later… because he was such a whining loser before. And then we could have read 52 with the idea of discovering how he became a hero again.

Unfortunately for Bruce Jones…. he obviously did not read any of Grayson’s run on the title. He ought to have realized that we NW fans are intimately familiar with angst -ridden loser - whining Dick Grayson. So when we find him One Year Later in the identical loser mentality and in even WORSE shape (which is for me the most SHOCKING thing of all because I did not think he could sink LOWER than where he ended up at the end of Grayson’s run)….. it all leads to a very depressing and pessimistic prospect for the formr Robin.

]]> By: kalinara http://spandexjustice.com/2006/04/17/99#comment-336 kalinara Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:28:04 +0000 http://spandexjustice.com/2006/04/17/99#comment-336 Aww, thanks! For some reason the model thing really bothers me too. I mean, it made sense for Ronnie, but for Dick? I mean, he *is* pretty, but *honestly*. I always liked the cop idea because there was such potential (albeit often wasted) to see Dick use his people skills in a non-vigilante capacity. Especially if he were a detective (even if he is realistically young for it). He'd be great at coaxing answers out of witnesses and questioning suspects, and leading the others in figuring out the case. (I admit, all my knowledge of police procedure comes from tv, so I could be completely off as to what cops actually do. :-P). The whole corrupt Bludhaven police department thing really prevented a lot of the team mentality stuff that I thought would have helped the character shine. The solo vigilante stuff would still have been the primary focus of the book, but having that in the background might have helped a lot. Failing that it could have been neat to see Nightwing in costume work more directly with the police instead of just a parallel to Batman's relationship with the Gotham police department. It might be of questionable legal ethics to have a vigilante turn a police department into his own team, but it would, I think, be an interesting attempt. And if anyone has the charisma to lead and inspire an entire force of jaded and world-weary cops on a righteous crusade against crime, it'd be Nightwing...at least when written well. They should be focusing on his inspirational qualities instead of making him the same kind of shadowy renegade as his mentor. I don't know, it seems like a wasted opportunity really, and now, with the model thing? What the hell benefit is that going to be for the character portrayal in the long run. *Honestly*. Aww, thanks!

For some reason the model thing really bothers me too. I mean, it made sense for Ronnie, but for Dick? I mean, he *is* pretty, but *honestly*.

I always liked the cop idea because there was such potential (albeit often wasted) to see Dick use his people skills in a non-vigilante capacity. Especially if he were a detective (even if he is realistically young for it). He’d be great at coaxing answers out of witnesses and questioning suspects, and leading the others in figuring out the case. (I admit, all my knowledge of police procedure comes from tv, so I could be completely off as to what cops actually do. :-P). The whole corrupt Bludhaven police department thing really prevented a lot of the team mentality stuff that I thought would have helped the character shine. The solo vigilante stuff would still have been the primary focus of the book, but having that in the background might have helped a lot.

Failing that it could have been neat to see Nightwing in costume work more directly with the police instead of just a parallel to Batman’s relationship with the Gotham police department. It might be of questionable legal ethics to have a vigilante turn a police department into his own team, but it would, I think, be an interesting attempt. And if anyone has the charisma to lead and inspire an entire force of jaded and world-weary cops on a righteous crusade against crime, it’d be Nightwing…at least when written well. They should be focusing on his inspirational qualities instead of making him the same kind of shadowy renegade as his mentor.

I don’t know, it seems like a wasted opportunity really, and now, with the model thing? What the hell benefit is that going to be for the character portrayal in the long run. *Honestly*.

]]> By: Shelly http://spandexjustice.com/2006/04/17/99#comment-335 Shelly Tue, 18 Apr 2006 04:59:13 +0000 http://spandexjustice.com/2006/04/17/99#comment-335 I liked the Nightwing book til about halfway through Devin's run. Her stories tend to smack of fan fic, but that's okay. I wrote fan fic, too, so I get where she's coming from. But things lost focus with the Blockbuster arc forward. I didn't read Zero Hour or anything really from 1985-199-something when I found the NW mini. Dick and Babs was always a couple to me, though she was a bit older. From the moment she arrived on scene and they shared adventures in Batman Family, I thought they were great together. I still think that. I agree though that a new writer is needed ASAP on the book before Dick/NW is destroyed. It's hard for me to admit I'm considering dropping the book, but I am. I liked the Nightwing book til about halfway through Devin’s run. Her stories tend to smack of fan fic, but that’s okay. I wrote fan fic, too, so I get where she’s coming from. But things lost focus with the Blockbuster arc forward.

I didn’t read Zero Hour or anything really from 1985-199-something when I found the NW mini. Dick and Babs was always a couple to me, though she was a bit older. From the moment she arrived on scene and they shared adventures in Batman Family, I thought they were great together. I still think that.

I agree though that a new writer is needed ASAP on the book before Dick/NW is destroyed. It’s hard for me to admit I’m considering dropping the book, but I am.

]]> By: Anthony Palmer http://spandexjustice.com/2006/04/17/99#comment-334 Anthony Palmer Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:52:12 +0000 http://spandexjustice.com/2006/04/17/99#comment-334 The amount of discontent over NIGHTWING OYL is absolutely staggering. Haven't seen a single positive review. I've never read the title myself, but I always enjoy the character when he shows up elsewhere - Particularly liked the Obsidian Age JLA arc where he leads the replacement team. It seems that Nightwing has got to be the most popular character who gets the short stick in his own title. Get somebody good on that book, DC, STAT. The amount of discontent over NIGHTWING OYL is absolutely staggering. Haven’t seen a single positive review. I’ve never read the title myself, but I always enjoy the character when he shows up elsewhere - Particularly liked the Obsidian Age JLA arc where he leads the replacement team.

It seems that Nightwing has got to be the most popular character who gets the short stick in his own title. Get somebody good on that book, DC, STAT.

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